2013-09-17 22:39:43 gnuweb anyone know of a web host with principles 2013-09-17 22:42:27 pehjota gnuweb: You? ;) 2013-09-17 22:42:51 pehjota (That is, the best option is to run your own server.) 2013-09-17 22:43:10 gnuweb at a data center? 2013-09-17 22:43:35 gnuweb hmm 2013-09-17 22:43:40 pehjota gnuweb: I run servers out of my house. 2013-09-17 22:44:04 gnuweb hmm 2013-09-17 22:44:12 pehjota Well, one physical server with a couple of virtual servers. 2013-09-17 22:44:19 gnuweb isnt it slower? 2013-09-17 22:44:31 gnuweb and no redudundancy 2013-09-17 22:44:43 gnuweb that was a bit redundant 2013-09-17 22:44:49 pehjota gnuweb: My upload rate is 0.5 Mbps, which is honestly much more than any shared Web host will give you. 2013-09-17 22:45:17 gnuweb I see. It should be a VPS probably, not shared 2013-09-17 22:45:22 pehjota It's comparable to a cheap VPS, really. 2013-09-17 22:45:45 gnuweb hmm i wonder if i can use my new computer 2013-09-17 22:45:50 gnuweb i7, ssd 2013-09-17 22:45:57 gnuweb while using it as a workstation 2013-09-17 22:46:21 pehjota Certainly. :) My server is less powerful than that is, I'm sure. 2013-09-17 22:47:18 gnuweb there's a big burden of keeping it secure, if its also a home server, not sure I have that amount to dedicate yet 2013-09-17 22:47:26 pehjota I threw about 270 USD of parts (3.0-GHz dual-core CPU, 500-GB HDD, etc.) into an old case, and it's worked fine. :) 2013-09-17 22:47:59 gnuweb Well I do indeed have 2 intel atom cheap PCs 2013-09-17 22:48:02 gnuweb might be a bit slow 2013-09-17 22:48:32 gnuweb do you provide your customers a control panel? 2013-09-17 22:49:54 pehjota Servers aren't too hard to secure. Just disallow password logins on the SSH server (or block outside connections), use software that has a decent security record, keep packages up-to-date, monitor the system with Logwatch and/or Munin, etc. 2013-09-17 22:50:35 gnuweb that's a nice summary 2013-09-17 22:50:42 pehjota I don't have customers. I just provide services (mail, Web, SSH, FTP, Git, etc.) for myself and for a free software project. 2013-09-17 22:50:48 gnuweb hard to get concise answers like that through go... duckduckgo 2013-09-17 22:51:06 gnuweb oh i see 2013-09-17 22:51:17 gnuweb on residential internet? 2013-09-17 22:52:10 pehjota I manage my servers' configurations with custom config Debian packages. Though I'd recommend a more proper solution like Salt, if you have such a complex setup that needs configuration management. 2013-09-17 22:52:18 pehjota Yeah, a residential ADSL connection. 2013-09-17 22:52:39 gnuweb whats ur upstream speed 2013-09-17 22:53:11 gnuweb are all ur drives encrypted? 2013-09-17 22:53:27 pehjota (Configuration management isn't really necessary though unless you have multiple servers you'd like to set up and maintain quickly. It's also sort of a backup solution for the OS.) 2013-09-17 22:53:29 gnuweb thanks for the info 2013-09-17 22:53:38 pehjota Transfer rates are 1.5/0.5 Mbps. 2013-09-17 22:53:47 pehjota 0.5 Mbps up. 2013-09-17 22:53:54 gnuweb wow 2013-09-17 22:54:15 gnuweb its not hosting any of the big sites right 2013-09-17 22:54:20 pehjota As I said, it's actually comparable to a cheap VPS. :) 2013-09-17 22:55:11 pehjota It hosts regular Web sites (I'm not streaming HD videos) and source code repositories, among other things. 2013-09-17 22:56:06 gnuweb oh lol i have some video sites 2013-09-17 22:56:09 pehjota And no, my drives aren't encrypted. I don't see a point in that; the computer isn't going anywhere such that it might be stolen or anything. 2013-09-17 22:57:01 pehjota gnuweb: Then a shared Web host or cheap VPS won't work for you either. :) What's your residential connection's upload rate? 2013-09-17 22:57:45 gnuweb checking 2013-09-17 22:59:49 gnuweb supposedly up to 1 mbps 2013-09-17 23:00:07 gnuweb i can go up to 5 2013-09-17 23:00:21 gnuweb i doubt it would get that high.. for whatever reason 2013-09-17 23:03:13 pehjota 5 Mbps might be sufficient for video, depending on traffic; video size, framerate, etc.; and audio bit rate and sample rate. 2013-09-17 23:03:46 gnuweb 720p tops 2013-09-17 23:03:57 gnuweb well for now 2013-09-17 23:06:00 gnuweb i dunno its quite radical 2013-09-17 23:06:12 pehjota gnuweb: Without actually calculating anything, I'd guess that you could support maybe three concurrent streams on 5 Mbps then. If you need more than that, prepare to spend a lot on a VPS. :) 2013-09-17 23:06:31 gnuweb yeah 2013-09-17 23:07:06 pehjota You could try running a Web server on your computer to see how your connection handles the videos. 2013-09-17 23:07:13 gnuweb yeah 2013-09-17 23:07:39 gnuweb I wouldnt know how to tell clients 2013-09-17 23:07:42 gnuweb about my backbone 2013-09-17 23:07:51 gnuweb my dd wrt router 2013-09-17 23:08:08 gnuweb ill give it a try 2013-09-17 23:08:56 gnuweb so why is this the principled choice 2013-09-17 23:09:31 pehjota Also, to your earlier question about a control panel, ISPConfig is pretty popular. There's also Virtualmin. 2013-09-17 23:09:34 marktraceur Are we still on about video streaming/ 2013-09-17 23:09:36 marktraceur ? 2013-09-17 23:09:56 gnuweb lol why not 2013-09-17 23:10:10 gnuweb has anyone tried zpanel 2013-09-17 23:10:21 marktraceur Oh, no, this is just about web services. 'kay. 2013-09-17 23:10:27 gnuweb lol 2013-09-17 23:10:34 gnuweb well what were you going to say 2013-09-17 23:12:05 gnuweb isp config has a paid add on for the billing system 2013-09-17 23:12:13 marktraceur I was just wondering; a few people have asked over the past few days 2013-09-17 23:12:37 gnuweb about video streaming? 2013-09-17 23:12:39 pehjota gnuweb: It's just easier and safer to host things on a server you control. If you're not hosting anything personal and you're simply serving videos and Web pages, then there's no strong ethical reason for the server to be under your control. 2013-09-17 23:13:25 gnuweb thanks pehjota i want to provide clients something secure and out of the hands of a web hosting company, so it would reduce the number of parties they need to trust, which is good... 2013-09-17 23:13:29 pehjota For example, many people have asked about personal e-mail services, and the best answer to that is always to run your own mail server (which isn't hard either). 2013-09-17 23:14:08 gnuweb ... another aspect of it was green hosting, a whole other matter 2013-09-17 23:14:17 marktraceur Yeah, about streaming video 2013-09-17 23:14:58 jxself Icecast. Ta Da! 2013-09-17 23:16:30 pehjota isp config has a paid add on for the billing system 2013-09-17 23:16:35 pehjota The license is proprietary, as it forbids distribution and limits the number of copies you can make for yourself. . 2013-09-17 23:16:57 jxself What about FreeSide? 2013-09-17 23:19:11 gnuweb freeside looks cool 2013-09-17 23:20:10 gnuweb I havent tried it but Zpanel + xBilling (module) + Zantastico is possibly a replacement for Cpanel + WHMCS + Fantastico 2013-09-17 23:20:43 gnuweb I couldn't find compatible free software that integrates those things nicely... only zpanel 2013-09-17 23:21:31 gnuweb would make shared hosting a lot more free, that combination 2013-09-18 00:34:45 Kye gnuweb http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/zPanel-hacked-after-support-team-member-insults-forum-user-1864795.html 2013-09-18 00:36:06 Kye hard to trust a project that treats exploits like this 2013-09-18 00:38:52 marktraceur Kye: Free Software projects' communities are notorious...but it's better than non-free software non-communities...